Curse

Jwh6913 · Jun 19, 2005, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by Nad

Meh, if I had known about it I would have done it. Beats grinding griffons(not that you can anymore). And if I got banned from the game I probably wouldnt even be too upset, I've wasted way too much time grinding exp and unlocks, and too little time acutally PvPing.

(Yea i know I didn't have to but...who wants a monk with 13 in healing prayers)
**(And i'll be damned if im not gonna use my pve char to pvp untill they put the 20/20 healing prayers staff on a collector)

I have 16 in healing prayers by virtue of a sup healing prayers that I luckily unlocked and found today off a hill giant in riverside. the irony doesn't escape me.

and a perfect weapon or staff doesn't determine if your team wins anyway- played pvp when i had just 13 in healing prayers and my team won 5 matches in a row

Niare · Jun 19, 2005, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Am I the one of the only ones that actually realize that this is a game? I mean honestly. I know this thread isn't even about grinding, but it's been brought up, one too many times I believe, and I'm just tired about people complaining of it. Myself, I enjoy 'grinding' as some say. To me, it's playing a game that I paid money for, and I actually enjoy it. I have fun as the game was intended to provide. Stop crying, sheesh.

Back on topic, I feel the same as a lot of people, in the fact that if you had to manually close out of the game in order to redo the mirror battle, then you are at fault and are abusing the system. In the first place, how did anyone learn of this exploit? People had to have intentionally tried to log out during the cutscenes or something and see if it worked, and if it didn't, I'm sure people tried and tried again until they found something that worked to abuse the system and then told their friends. Ugh...exploiters, hackers and cheaters is why I stopped playing DII online

I think ANet is doing a good job, personally.

Oni No Arashi · Jun 19, 2005, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Two types of people.

1) They cheated, they knew it (many times they did this, and the logs showed it. Hmm...

==== Player enters mission
==== battle data
==== player beats Doppleganger
==== Add 50,000 exp to account
==== play cutscene
==== Player disconnects from game: Unknown/Crash
==== Player reconnects to server
==== Player starts mission

rinse, repeat, ad-nauseum.

There is NO entrapment, there is NO wrong doing by ANet here. Yeah, someone coded the reward spot for that mission wrong. Okay, shoddy code, but you had to do SPECIFIC things to get the reward multiple times.

EULA says exploiting it is wrong. And in this case, it's closer to theft on their part. The people banned for this STOLE their EXP and thus their SKILL POINTS by using this exploit.

They ban under a few dozen accounts. Under!

Valve: http://www.google.com/search?q=valve...en-US:official
Blizzard: http://www.google.com/search?hs=F8p&...&btnG=Sea rch
EQ:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...&btnG=Se arch

So for the one guy who supposedly runs a software store... got news for him.. NCSoft/A.Net aren't the only ones to ban for their dev's mistakes. Ooh, looky, a few parodies out there, but many do ban, an usually in the THOUSANDS when they do.

Valve has banned 30,000 accounts in one day. Law suits? Negative... they cheated... they have NO CASE. They can try, but finding a lawyer stupid enough to take it will be hard pressed. One story said that EQ did 700+ and for WOW, there have been thousands in one day. And that's a game that you not only pay 50 bucks to get, but then pay money each month to play... thus you're in an even more money bank type thing then you are with GW.

2 are friends of someone, who apparently can't get in their heads that you need to sign up with different emails (and with how lame his arguments are and that... I'm actually reading this as his two 'friends' more then likely being him and his best buddy/family member/whatever.)

2 ) The second type of person on this: They cheated. They violated the terms of the game. Good riddance to those who would NOT PLAY THE GAME AS INTENDED/DEVELOPED.

Now it's PVP vs. PVE again: They were using a means to circumnavigate the grind!

What type of CRAP Is that? They were using it to bypass the grind? I thought the GRIND was getting through PVE to get all the Elites (yeah they cost skill points, but if you don't spend them, and get the skills for the game through the quests, then you have plenty for all the elites, right?). I thought this supposed grind was about unlocking runes for PVP use?

I'm finding one thing in common with all the whiners...

The vocal minority of them DO WANT EVERYTHING ON A SILVER PLATTER.

I want my runes/uber weapons...
I want my skills...
I want my EXP for my character...

Even though everyone else has to do it the way the game was intended.

The developers said they were making a game that had PVE and PVP aspects as ONE GAME.

Count that number again...

One... Uno... Un... Ichi... 1...

Play the game or don't.

There is only as much GRIND as you make of it. I've got two out of 3 characters I'm using for PVE asceneded now. Did my elementalist yesterday after they fixed the bug. My third character is in LA now, and I'm working with it. How much grind do I see?

None...

Because I want to play the game and learn about it. There are parts of the map I've not sceen.

On the box to GW, both the collectors edition (my wife has it) and the regular (mine)... I saw not one picture of the arenas. I saw all PVE shots. They're stunning and beautiful. Other then that... PVP is obviously an addon. Yeah, GVG with my lowly rated guild is fun, but not contstantly.

But that's my views. These others who are obviously after the ultimate PVP game... maybe you did go to the wrong game. Maybe CS and others are much more up your alley.

The Dev's designed a game that has PVP as an addon to a long PVE campaign. The screen shots on their site, their boxes, all of the promo stuff showed the stunning world for PVE they had developed. Then again the arenas are anything but stunning to show off, I'll admit that.

But I seem to think that you're all missing the point.

It's ONE (again... One... Un... Uno... Ichi... 1) game. Play it or don't. You only see grind because you don't have the game you wanted. But this is the game that the Dev's have put forth to us.

You did complain about the items... now more rares drop. Yeah, not always in the same place but EVERYWHERE!

Your solution: Play the freakin' game and go EVERYWHERE and get the drops you want/ supposedly need

You complain about the capture of skills: They changed it so that now you don't have to have any personal skill behind the mouse and just kill the boss and take their skills.

Your solution: Go get the damn skills now, by going EVERYWHERE and Playing the game as intended.

You complain about EXP being a grind, to level up your characters...Funny I've never had a problem going through the quests and missions and being either lvl 20 or 19 when going to ascend. BUT...they now changed exp rewards to double them for bosses and you have the scrolls to use to get more EXP.

Your solution: Go play the freakin' game to get the EXP. Not find some exploit using a crash to repeat ad-nauseum.

I always though Grind= repetitive game play over and over again on the same things to get your 'reward'. And yes, competitive game play of some sort has rewards, so anyone saying that they 're not doing this for some for of satisfaction or reward is LYING...

Battling your doppleganger many times, over and over, repetitive actions on your skills bar and your supposed strategy... that's Gring the skills points. They, by definition, increased their grind. Yeah, now they'd have hundreds of skills points and could buy all hteir skills. Big deal... so can I... BY PLAYING THE FREAKING GAME!

Play it or don't. But if you're not going to play it by the rules, expect to get the same punishment in every. But don't make this another PVP grind vs. PVE discussion. It's been done too much.

The game is NOT about PVP as a sole thing. Guild Wars is not just a name, or a type of playing. It's mentioned through out the book as part of the history of the game (ask in Ascalon why you can't have a guild hall from an NPC and they'll tell you they're banned after the guilds got so powerful during the Guild Wars).

It's about people playing the game, and having fun. And so far I've seen like the same 20 people posting all over the many forums about not having fun, and everyone else saying how much fun their having.

Shut up and decide if you're going to play or not, already! It's gotten very old, very quickly and is not getting anything anywhere.

In fact, the day Anet gives you 20 or so people your UAS button... is the day I'll quit. Cause then they'd have proven that they don't care about their game anymore. They only care about a vocal minority, and in the case of one Standard AI, one who's already broken the rules before and had a character deleted for it.

Botters, cheats, hackers, haxors, exploiters, scammers, or whatever... I'm glad their characters or their accounts are gone. Allows the rest of us who play the game for fun and to escape a bit to keep having that fun.

They didn't ban innocents.

And as for EULA's not being binding... funny, Microsoft has won that battle a few times. Yes it is, up to a point. Try to fight it and claim it's not all you want, you're just in denial and living in your little fantasy world still.

PhineasToke · Jun 19, 2005, 04:17 AM // 04:17

Game over. It's as plain as an azure sky. Those that thought they could take advantage of the game are now on the outside looking in. And we are all better off for it.

Mister Pie · Jun 19, 2005, 04:19 AM // 04:19

Some of you are taking this waaaaaaay too seriously. If you're bugging out so much over somethng like this maybe you should consider giving up the game. Y'all act like Guild Wars murdered your family or something.

Niare · Jun 19, 2005, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Wow, Oni no Arashi...quite the post and I agree, whole heartedly. Especially with:

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Botters, cheats, hackers, haxors, exploiters, scammers, or whatever... I'm glad their characters or their accounts are gone. Allows the rest of us who play the game for fun and to escape a bit to keep having that fun.

Jwh6913 · Jun 19, 2005, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Oni No Arashi- you jsut became my favorite person on the boards!!!!

I hold the exactly same opinion as you do! you're more than welcome to contact me ingame if you want to play together to explore the map

Cacheelma · Jun 19, 2005, 04:44 AM // 04:44

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Originally Posted by Digital Limit

I am so tired of the whining. StandardAI has to be one of the most annoying people I have ever had to deal with on these forums. Thank god I can ignore this thread.

*moves on*

To tell you, I met him in VnBoards, then he flamed (and got banned) at GWOnline.net's board, then he screamed about his bot got banned at the-guild-hall forum. And now I meet him here.... where's next?

Tell me a board without StandardAI. Gamefaqs?

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Originally Posted by Eos

Wow, with alpha testers like this I'm rather surprised the game turned out as well as it did. Guess A-Net must have picked up the slack

Sorry if i seem rude but it seems a little rediculous to mention exploits that existed solely because "you and many other alpha testers" failed to report them while you were alpha/ beta testing the game.

For the records, I don't think StandardAI has EVER been an alpha tester, has he? He usually says "Me and other alpha testers", "Me and my guildmates" or something. But I don't think "he" is one of them.

sama · Jun 19, 2005, 04:50 AM // 04:50

it seems that every forum has some people that can't make an argument without making up facts and pretending to sound intelligent.

xellos, you need to ignore those people.

StandardAI · Jun 19, 2005, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

To tell you, I met him in VnBoards, then he flamed (and got banned) at GWOnline.net's board

Nope, I never flamed anyone on gwonline's board nor was I banned, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

then he screamed about his bot got banned at the-guild-hall forum. And now I meet him here.... where's next?

Actually I've been a member here well before you have.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

For the records, I don't think StandardAI has EVER been an alpha tester, has he? He usually says "Me and other alpha testers", "Me and my guildmates" or something. But I don't think "he" is one of them.

I've never said I'm an alpha tester, If I have you're welcome to point it out.

Cacheelma · Jun 19, 2005, 05:08 AM // 05:08

heh, clear to see you haven't really done posting here yet.

So, where's my answer about a board without you?

Night · Jun 19, 2005, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Originally Posted by StandardAI

How would you feel if you did something that the game allowed and got banned for it? If you didn't even know it was an exploit, people who ascended more than once now have been banned.

"(bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits)" That's a really vague statement, there's no list of what arenanet does intend us to do, and not to do in the game. This line alone gives them the ability to ban any one of us at any time for whatever reason they deem fit.

PS. If you don't know the definition for entrapment, go look it up.

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

So unless Anet told a player that player had to do exploit or else risk punishment, you are barking up the wrong defense tree. Exploiting an exploit is not entrapment, ignorance of the offense is not a valid defense. Try this experiment, Do 90 miles an hour by a state/local police offer and try the "I didn't know the speed limit" defense and watch the smile grow and the snide comments from the said officer flow. Better yet try doing 55 in 35 and use the same defense or in a school zone and watch the same outcome.

So maybe you should follow the advice above and look up the word entrapment then speak to a lawyer who can detail how that works legally. Next talk to lawyer about using the ignorance of the law defense.

Takkun · Jun 19, 2005, 07:30 AM // 07:30

there are many definitions for entrapment....but the thing is its not all about entrapment...cause thats a little too much to accuse ArenaNet of. They aren't trying to trick us into abusing certain parts of the game, but what do they expect?

Another question, are they even testing these patches out themselves before they release them to us? Cause if they aren't, then they are no different than any other computer gaming company...and if they are, then they better start testing them more before they release them.

I remember way back when ArenaNet was telling us they have not released this game in a while because they wanted it to be as perfect as possible.... PSHHH..... I always thought perfect meant not having an exploit in every patch that would get players banned no matter what the number banned from the game every week because they are just trying to get to the fun parts faster.

Ok ive said a lil too much about nothing, so I'll just ask ArenaNet to put their years of previous experience from Blizzard into effect, cause frankly I don't see the experience showing... as far as patches...

NightStalkerXT · Jun 19, 2005, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by Xellos

You might get a few more customers who care about ethics and crap...

Well that just speaks volumes now doesn't it.

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Originally Posted by Niare

Ugh...exploiters, hackers and cheaters is why I stopped playing DII online

I hear you man!

Aria · Jun 19, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50

Flame fest, trolling, off-topic, and innundated with spam posts. Everyone, as a reminder, please remember not to make posts that consist of only "I agree," or anything of the sort. Please read this stickied thread for information.

Also, mostly importantly, remember to be respectful to your fellow forum members, and please keep all personal attacks off these boards. I get very upset, otherwise.

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